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"Sarah Palin and Audra Shay span the United States from North (Alaska) to South (Louisiana), but they share the emotional molten core of the last Alamo stand of the white GOP: "we'll fight to keep the government white."
Young Republicans: Racism, Hate, Psychotic Paranoia and Intimidation; Just Like the Old Republicans
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The republican/conservatives are showing their true colors.
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usfreestar
What a clever comeback. You must have taken alot of time to think that one up. LOL
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Well the 'sap' doesn't fall far from the vertical tree, now does it?
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Grouse14
And your comment is relevant? Nope, I don't think so. All you do is come in and troll. If you don't have something to offer that isn't an attack against someone, find another spot to lay your vitrol. I look at 1.3 as an attack. I will leave that one, but no more of them.
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Comment collapsed by the communityInteresting article, except for the fact it offers zero proof of any of its claims.
Surprised? Jaywow you do realize there are plenty of conservatives who are NOT Republican right? There are conservative Democrats and Independents as well.
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Oh I realize that Simple but the ones that I call here are the right wing conservatives and If the shoe fits, well you know the rest.
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You calling me Simple.. are you doing that to mock me or because its short for Simplistic Reality? I'd prefer Simplistic or SR if ya don't mind. :)
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Cat Fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL. You guys crack me up. No wonder politics is so damn inanely repetitious and pointless these days.
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On the other hand, Obama's rallies = young & black, young & white,young & any race middle age white & black any race, so forth & so on.. But, you get the picture, right Republicant's?
Do you know WHY the young voted for Obama? Because the young have absolutely no idea about life. Why do you think most elderly people are normally more conservative if not outright Republicans? Because they have experience and have learned from the past. The youth of today voted for Obama because they have been brainwashed into believing that the world can be a perfect place and that Bush is evil. Then there are a lot of young kids out there who just want to be different from their parents. They want to be INDEPENDENT. They want to make their own choices and that means change.
At Palin rallies filled with white hicks and rednecks calling for Obama to be assassinated, and McCain seemingly defending her and them.
And here we are the perfect example. While we cannot make jokes of Obama and his wife comparing them to monkeys, it's obviously okay to offend the entire white population in America. And if you are white and you don't care that someone calls you a "white hick" or a "cracker", you obviously have no self respect and there lies the problem. With the way the minorities are being given free handouts and scholarships to college for doing nothing except being a minority, I guess I wouldn't mind being a minority either. What has happened to this country? Everytime I come to the same question and I have absolutely no answer. We can no longer say or do anything without being attacked with the racism card. It seems that you HAVE to have a large percentage of blacks, Hispanics, or any other minority group to qualify in the eyes of liberals.
This entire seed is of no value and its only purpose is to rouse up Republicans like myself. Go ahead and delete my comment but do understand that you hold absolutely no proof that the Republicans are against minorities.
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King of Naples you , like a typical Republican, talk about things you know nothing about, but think because you are old and say your BS with "authority" that it makes it true. You are wrong. The Republican Party is Wrong, which is why they lost. And the "young" people who you classify as stupid (young being a relative term- I will assume in your case it means anyone under 70) know a hell of a lot more about life than you give us credit for.
We also know what a Hypocrite is and we choose not to vote for them!
Hypocrite = Republican Party pandering to their base with false promises of lower taxes at hosted "Tea Parties" while simultaneously raising taxes. That is also called being a bold faced Liar. We may be "young" meaning less than 70, but we are not stupid. We watch the ACTIONS of the Republican Party, and see that that ACTION does not match the rhetoric of the party. And Viola! They lose.
And I am not a Democrat- I am a Libertarian and a previous swing voter. However after this last election I will NEVER EVER vote for another Republican candidate, not even for dog catcher.
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Well uh, sorry to burst your bubble but I'm under twenty. Unlike most people, I respect my parents' decisions and learn from them as they have done more with their lives than I have - yet. My parents and older people in general are wiser, smarter, and in general, more experienced. They have handled money before, they have had a long career in the workforce, they have raised families, and they have witnessed the good and the bad of American history. There are a lot of young people who have lived under their parents' wing all their lives and believe they know it all. Trust me, I used to think the same thing as you do.
Just know this, I may have used the wrong word (stupid), but your arrogance couldn't be missed in your post. Go ahead and never vote Republican, but that obviously shows your ignorance. It's not about what side you or they are on, but who they are and what they do that is important. So if the Democrats drug some homeless guy off the streets who had a 1st grade education, and the Republicans had someone qualified and experienced for the job, you would still vote Democratic? If so, please don't ever vote again.
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I do beileve you are young King of Naples. Your generalization of, 'most elderly people are 'normally' more conservative" doesn't wash. You can't make a blank statment of most, there are quite a few elderly people who suffer daily across the US and do not think that conservative policies of the past thirty years has served them well.
You say you respect your parents opinion, you say they have witnessed the good and bad of american history, are you only referring to the history of the past 40 or 50 years? That isn't exactly indicative of the entire history of America.
Perhaps you might like to form your own opinions. You seem to be riding on the beliefs of your upbringing instead of looking outside your white picket fence. I am surmising here that you do have a very white picket fence. I would suggest that you spend some time in Watts or inner city anywhere USA. You seem to really need time to understand and associate with the poor of the USA instead of just going along with what your parents told you. We all know what conservatism is, it can cross many theories and classes. There can be poor working class that have conservative values as well as any upper middle class protectionist. What you need to do is look at this history of the past 30 years, start with Nixon and the inflation of the 70's, move on into the disastrous economic policies put in place by Reagan. Study the economics, inflation, wage stagnation and realize that lots of people work hard, have always worked hard and will continue to do so. For too long the concentration of wealth has been on a small percentage of the population. When you look at history fairly and squarely in the face and you meet those who are poor that do work hard yet opportunity alludes them, perhaps you can begin to form your own opinions behind the truth in America.
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I respect your opinion and thanks for the advice. I understand that my parents don't know everything but to NOT listen to them is even more foolish in my opinion. The past 40 or 50 years is what got us where we are today economically and during those years, society changed drastically which is why this isn't new to them nor is it for most older folks. The whole racism thing that's been growing alot lately didn't just start. It's been here forever and it's not ever going to go away either. I guess I should have been more clear again with the whole "good and the bad of american history." What I meant is they have witnessed Reagan and the destruction of the Soviet Union. They have also witnessed the bad such as the Vietnam War. My whole point is the reason why the Republicans want "status quo" is not because they want all the power to themselves, but because capitalism works and has worked throughout our history.
Now, I'm not saying it's perfect and in fact, there are a lot of problems with the system at the moment. For one, we have to break up the Big 3. They are what's keeping us from creating cars that don't need fuel and new sources of energy. I disagree with you about Reagan but that's not what I'm here to argue about.
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Sometimes the biggest problem with the Republicans is the Republicans.
Most times, really.
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King of Naples, I understand what you are saying now. True racism has been around for a long time. I would rather think that your generation and the one coming up will have grown in such a diverse world that racism will be a thing of the past one day. True, our, your parents generation has lived through a lot of recessions, we grew up watching the Vietnam war and a lot of mis guided patriotism. Women faced discrimination and inequality in the work force, it has been slow going for many who were not white males but eventually America has got there. There is still a way to go, we have not quite eradicated inequality of race, gender and class. As you say, we may never do so but I have hope in the future generations.
There may need to be a new republican party, a new set of conservative ideals that fit a growing group of independents and a new generation of politics. The one good thing we can all say is that perhaps the age of the old white guy governing is on its way out. Although there are women in US politics there has still not been a women leader, whereas many more patriarchal societies have had women leaders. America is still young in all these things.
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This is not just a typical liberal article slamming the GOP. It is an observation of the behavior of a specific group. They define themselves by voting for incompetent candidates and making direct or indirect attacks on people or ideas that would not be acceptable to the KKK.
It hurts to know that my wife's son and his spouse voted McCain/Palin. They are very afraid and that is the only commodity the GOP has to offer.
That's how things are in my home red state of Tennessee. Very sad.
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Grouse14 adeptly identified "playground back-and-forth" in the initial exchange and a tempest gets stirred-up inside JW's post.
Grouse14 doesn't contest the article and does not take sides.
Margo dings US for picking on W (short for JW) and Grouse14 gets a blanket party.
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Audra Shay, nearly 40, just won the Presidency of the Young Republicans over a real young Republican, a woman in her 20s.
Sounds like someone is having trouble getting old. Even if 40 is the new 30, which imo is a ridiculous argument, she had no business running.
Her responce to racist allegations
Yesterday on Facebook, an unfortunate incident occurred. An individual posted two comments on my Facebook wall, the first comment arguing against big government and the second filled with racially charged comments. I responded supporting the individual’s first post, to continue the fight against big government spending. I was not aware of the racial comments until sometime later, when a third individual brought it to my attention
Hmm doesn't read what is written they supports it by a knee jerk reaction, yep a true Palin-conservative.
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Only 2% of blacks claim to be replublicans tell me again who the racist are??
Want a free home, free food, and money you don't have to work for ?
Vote democrat
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Want a free home, free food, and money you don't have to work for ?
So you are saying this is why Blacks vote Democrat?
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I am saying that democrats love social programs that increase peoples dependence on government therefore its like buying votes.
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What is interesting is how democrats call people racist in order to try and get people to back down. Truth is that democrats will lose the 2010 elections and just maybe 2012 I think the American people are realizing that we need a system of checks and balances. Giving a free run to one party is detrimental to our country. As much as democrats try and blame the ecomony mess on bush its not his fault.. Barney frank and chris dodd along with other democrats pushed banks to give loans to lower income families who then turned around and defaulted on the loans which caused the housing crisis which then caused the downturn of the economy. Yeah bush ran up the deficit with the war in Iraq but obama has tripled in less than a year. obama owns this economy now and if things continue to go south democrats will get the shaft in 2010.
just because republicans believe in tax cuts, gays not being married,and that killing 6 million unborn children is wrong we are a racist, hatemongering party
I think not
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King Of Naples - I agree very much with your posts about young voters and voting liberal. I'm in my mid 20's and know many of those young voters who vote for "change" but when you talk to them they don't really seem to have a worldly view of anything. I'm not speaking about all young voters but a large portion of them vote soley based on empty speeches, things they hear on mtv, etc. because it sounds great but don't think clearly about the topic for themselves, simply because they don't understand. And to be honest when you have conservations with them I seem to find out they do hold conservative views in many cases after talking about a topic. Again, this is not all young voters but trust me a large portion of the ones I know who live in multiple states.
Just because you have conservative views on a topic does not make you racist, bigot, hateful etc. I don't see any benefit in going around calling every liberal an ignorant tree hugging hippy. This is ridiculous to label someone because they might have a view other than your own viewpoint. And I don't see anything gained for someone with a liberal point of view to bash someone who holds a more conservative view on life. There is nothing wrong with either view but labeling with names is wrong. Learn to respect a little bit more and we'd probably see more progression in a positive direction for everyone in this country.
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Perhaps it is this mentality that has kept us from getting anything positive done in this nation for the last few years. We had an arrogant ass in the white house named George Bush that was a radical and a "Maverick" and did whatever he wanted to. It created animosity with the left. Now we have a democratic majority in both houses and the white house and the right is pissed. You can't even get a debate that leads to any solutions or ideas for solutions because everyone is just beating the hell out of each other.
Here's the real deal: The majority of the republican elected officials are crooks and criminals. The majority of the democratic elected officials are crooks and criminals. No matter what party we have in power, we still have crooks and criminals. Now our nation is so divided and fighting to defend the idiots, crooks and criminals of their respective parties, that we could very well end up in the start of riots and perhaps the attempt of a civil war. This goes to show you how stupid the majority of folks are that follow after each party. Take a look at yourself and if you are defending the crooks of your party, you are as stupid as the blind following the blind. We need to eliminate the parties and converge on Washington demanding that the politicians rub shoulders with us and not the hospital corporation and insurance lobbyist. These posts are self-evident of the stupid mentality of party supporters. How can one uphold Bush over Clinton or Clinton over Reagan or Reagan over Carter? Your parties stink and you drink the Kool aid de jour from which ever party or biased @!$%# you follow as your Hitler style propogandist. The reason America was considered the greatest nation on earth was not because of it's leaders but because of its people and now look; the people of this nation are making it the laughing stock of the world and perhaps it is nowhere near the greatest nation on earth because of the stupid mentality of our people. Perhaps moderates need to round up radicals left and right and deport them along with the illegals. We can send the radical democrats to France and the radical republicans to Venezuela. You'd fit in nicely.
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You can't even get a debate that leads to any solutions or ideas for solutions because everyone is just beating the hell out of each other.
But wait, Obama's brilliant. He's going to bring us together.
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The ingredient for a great nation is great citizens. You can't make a great lasagna with turds and toilet paper.
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jmonarchy -
Here's the real deal: The majority of the republican elected officials are crooks and criminals. The majority of the democratic elected officials are crooks and criminals.
You, as an individual, can still side where YOU have values and beliefs. You want elected officials to represent you as best as possible but you still have to understand these are people, and nothing more. As far as them being crooks and criminals, this is because they, along with celebrities, athletes etc are in the lime light, so they are scrutinized at even a higher level and you actually get their life put in front of you. You really get to see a true representations of how all of us really are. It's just they're on tv. That's why people shouldn't just say Bush is the "radical" "maverick" who hates etc. Things like torture didn't start with him and won't end there.
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jmonarchy - what society has every fully had great citizens?
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jmonarchy post 1.39 is the best thing I've heard all week I'm still laughing. priceless
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There were "crooks" and "criminals" back then as well, just the landscape was different. Throughout the history of humans there are always the bad self serving ones who make up societies. You're not going to get a country of great citizens who are happy go lucky, goody two shoes, it's false hope.
Now we have the technology and a "self serving" media who can bring these bad people to your computer screen and tv in a heartbeat whereas years ago these people go unheard of. This is nothing new.
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MatM - read my 1.35 post. Of course you can't put that type of stuff in numerical facts but it's very true in my last 6 years of experience.
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Grouse,
The irony is intentional. Anybody can say "Group A is better than Group B because of Belief 1 and Belief 2"
JK,
Of course you can't put that type of stuff in numerical facts but it's very true in my last 6 years of experience.
In my last 6 years of experience, I have seen that more old people vote based on issues that they know little to nothing about than young people. In the past 6 years I have seen that old people can not use the Internet well enough to even check Email, much less inform themselves on issues relevant to today's society. The past 6 years have also shown me that the majority of Republican voters are bigots and underachievers.
Whose experience is correct, mine or yours?
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The liberals like to throw out words like "hate" and "racism" but this article provides evidence of neither by Palin nor Shay. Maybe they use them to feel better about themselves or as an excuse to not have to listen to any arguments on the issues because it doesn't matter the issue, you plug your ears and call out rasict like a 4 yr old.
Anti- Gun control? you're racist.
Anti illegal immigration? You're racist.
Anti Welfare? You're racist.
Anti abortion? you're racist.
Anti large government? You're racist.
It's old. Really old. And extremely juvenile. Grow up.
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AND - they just proved everything I said was right - by collapsing my post 1.27!!!
ROTFLMAO!!
They are losing even when in power at the White House....such a waste of goodwill and possibilities so early in the process. Amazing..
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I am an Independent from Michigan. In my experience of 30 years of working and voting that the far left and far right suffer the same disease. Both sides talk about what should be done but none of them practice what they preach!! Both parties are corrupt with special interest groups have cause the Middle Class to disappear. Being from Michigan I have seen the far left create the I am entitled or owed it generations. Saw these seeds being planted in the 60's and 70's. I am just tired of them spending what they do not have. The only difference between a conservative and a liberal is that they both feel the same thing but conservative knows that it is going to cost and liberal expect everyone else to pay for it other than themselves. 30 years I have seen both of these Ideologies been practice that is Why California, Michigan and other states like these are in financial situations because they have created groups of people who believe they do not have to do anything and they are owed it.
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Frank Rich nailed it perfectly! and that fact alone is enough to drive the white firsters out of what is left of their alleged minds! If you Republicans do not agree that the right has gone this route and that it is a generalization and you are not like this then SPEAK UP! and tell you fellow Repubs. enough is enough! But you will most likely not do this because of the rampant hypocrisy that permeates your party and because you lack the intestinal fortitude to speak out against these people for FEAR of being labeld of all things either racist or un patriotic. Why does the party of courageous God lovin' Americans act with such cowardice when it comes to your own people but you have plenty of false courage when it comes to trashing those who want what is best for this nation no matter what colour,race or creed? Why? flat out insanity! that's why!!!
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JayWow.I would like to account you as one of my friends on the Vine if it's ok with you, I know I get angry at these people from time to time so if you think that this would be detrimental to your postings I can respect that. if I get the time here soon I will send friend request.
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MatM - It's a shame you categorize people like this,
Republican voters are bigots and underachievers.
That's sick and untrue. I didn't say anything derogatory about all liberals because of a select few. Be better than those people then and don't associate yourself with dumb claims.
And just like there are old people who don't know how to work email I know many my age who don't even know what inflation is, but could tell you what happened on the real world last night, who don't know anything about tax brackets, but know how to tag a friend on facebook, who don't know where money comes from to fund things like the stimulus bill, but make 30 twitter posts a day etc. They make opinions based on episodes of MTV, and I'm serious with that.
And I don't include all young liberals in this, but there are many who can vote and do that fall within this.
I agree with you as well there are old people who have their faults, but it goes both ways. For me, I tend to side with people who have run a business, worked for people, managed people, purchased homes, sold homes, lived on their own. And these are average everyday Americans, not bigots and underachieving people. I don't need to a liberal philosophy to achieve something in this world nor do you need to have a conservative approach to be successful. Respect is more valuable
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mrbinga83...site just one instance of racist speech against any one from the Democratic or liberal side! Reverend Crazy from Obama's former church is to be left out of your examples if they exist. Let's see them!
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SC - republicans don't typically claim Dems as being racist. The hateful speech he speaks of would be more directed towards conservative people in general. So while I may see your angle of republicans being racists in some instances, that's not the reverse a conservative speaks of about liberals.
It's mostly the same old hateful words like bigot, racists, rednecks the list goes on. It's more the hateful speech towards someones views than color of skin.
And if you don't think liberals use labels and hateful words towards someone you really have closed your eyes to it.
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funny how they find the most obnoxious person to speak out and then claim all republicans young and old are bad people.
FEAR IS A SCARY THING PEOPLE, IT WILL MAKE YOU THINK YOU ARE MORE GODLY THAN OTHERS. ...it will make you attack the young and try to change their thinking. It will make you think you need to re-teach them YOUR way. It will make you call people names, it will make you think people are out to get you..It will make you never accept the opposing opinion as valid or worthy...it will make you ignore huge warning signs.....FEAR is a politicians best friend....for you will fight for his cause even though you may ot understand what that cause is, or who it is against.......
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THE DEMOCRATS ARE GODLIER THAN OTHERS.....isnt that what you wanted to hear? Isnt that the point....of thread like this?
if not, then please tell me why you cannot have an opposing party or even begin to tolerate the other party. Please tell me why Dems will go to heaven and the rest to hell....(that is as bold of statement as the title to this thread).
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AND - they just proved everything I said was right - by collapsing my post 1.27!!!
I don't think it's worth restoring as there's maybe two sentences of analysis and then a bunch not-naming-names bashing everyone in the thread, usfreestar. You can do better - or take your own advice and not post on seeds you think are worthless.
P-A-T-H-E-T-H-I-C
No second H.
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I'm not asking to be restored.
This whole thread is one big Conservative bashing without any merit whatsoever.
Ya think the headline is at odds with COH, article 3.1: Headlines should be supported by the information presented in the article/seed, rather than used primarily as a means to draw attention.
Did you read the article?
So yes - I stand by every word I wrote in 1.27
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And I don't believe usfreestar asked Tyler to be restored either.
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If you Republicans do not agree that the right has gone this route and that it is a generalization and you are not like this then SPEAK UP! and tell you fellow Repubs. enough is enough! But you will most likely not do this because of the rampant hypocrisy that permeates your party and because you lack the intestinal fortitude to speak out against these people for FEAR of being labeld of all things either racist or un patriotic.
We DO! If you would observed the right that is extreme, is dwindling.
BUT Please tell your people to stop thinking we are all McCain/Bush/Palin/cheaters........you are forgetting the real face of the right....the citizens. Not reality show personalities.
I will give up calling far left welfare beggers.
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While most young Republicans will not know who he is, Archie Bunker is the prototypical Republican. Angry, racist, opinionated and un read. His way of dealing with disagreement was to call his oponent a "meat head". After all of these years, the Archie Bunker tradition continues in the GOP. We now have a younger generation of Archies. Ah geez.
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While most young Republicans will not know who he is, Archie Bunker is the prototypical Republican. Angry, racist, opinionated and un read. His way of dealing with disagreement was to call his oponent a "meat head". After all of these years, the Archie Bunker tradition continues in the GOP. We now have a younger generation of Archies. Ah geez.
1% opinion 99% B.S.
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While most young Republicans will not know who he is, Archie Bunker is the prototypical Republican. Angry, racist, opinionated and un read. His way of dealing with disagreement was to call his oponent a "meat head". After all of these years, the Archie Bunker tradition continues in the GOP. We now have a younger generation of Archies. Ah geez.
And I guess that would make the prototypical Democrat Revernd Wright, chanting "No, not God bless America, God damn America!" Great. Nothing like a realistic view of the opponent.
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grouse14..no it's not convenient...Obama threw his ass under the bus long ago and the only time he is brought up is by those seeking in vain to make Dems and Lib,s SEEM like they are prejudice. You see Democrats and Liberals by their very nature are more inclusive of all races and religious creeds...you CAN NEVER say that about the Republicans or Conservatives! No way No how!!! But Republicans are not only backing to the hilt all of the scum that hate everyone who is not white and right,they are trotting out MORE scum who also believe that if you aint white and right you have nothing worthy to say.
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MatB
Spectator99 is a bit low on intelligence.
You just made my point (calling others insulting names).
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MatB
No, I said those are the qualities of Conservatives.
The Republican party is strongest in the South, the hotbed of racism and anger. Check out Texas, they want to secede because we have a Black president. Hell, they want to fight the Civil War all over again. Also, look at the tea parties, the Klan loves them.
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Check out Texas, they want to secede because we have a Black president.
Are you sure it isn't because he and Pelosi want to turn this country into California and they see the financial mess California is in while Texas has its books ballanced?
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No, we can't. Pro-life and pro-choice, pro-gun and pro-gun control can't get along.
America was founded on the ability to compromise. Your side doesn't always win. And when it doesn't the country will go what you consider the wrong direction. If enough people eventually feel the same way as you, your side will win and it will go the other direction. That is how Democracy works. America is a republican democracy, which means if we think our representatives are doing a bad job we vote them out of office. If you want a totalitarian Republican state I suggest looking in Africa or the Middle East. Those that want a totalitarian Democrat state can look at Venezuela or other leftist regimes. I can accept the fact that I can't see the bad the Democrats do because of my political ideology. I also have to accept that the Republicans have un-done some of the bad the Democrats have done over the years when they gain power. The Democrat social programs are the reason we have such a successful country. It's the reason our workers are some of the most skilled in the world. It's the reason we have so many people in the executive and business class. The reason America works is because we have a combination of different economic/social theories working against each other making the system work better. Every time 1 agenda 1 party or 1 ideology is the only allowed in power, the system ALWAYS fails. I have no doubt that a purely Democrat or Republican America would also fail.
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Young Democrats:Racism,Hate,psychotic paranoia,and intimidation,just like the old Democrats.Wow this headliner works both ways.(morale of the story)They're both a bunch of tyrannical bigots and fear mongers
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Check out Texas, they want to secede because we have a Black president.
The vast majority of Texans don't want to secede, and the Governor has explicitly said he's against it as well. But don't let the facts get in the way, or anything. The majority of Texans likewise don't consider themselves Southerners (nothing against those in the South, mind), and the State went for McCain by only 10 points - despite it not being contested by Obama. A broad brush is seldom useful - whether it's used on a Party, a State, or a region.
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Sorry to nitpick but I've seen this phrase a few times now, it's not a republican democracy, it's a democratic republic.Notice the lowercase, it doesn't refer to either modern party, in fact they took their names from the term.
it's not a republican democracy, it's a democratic republic.
It is a representative republic.
Democracy:
A government of the masses.
Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.
Results in mobocracy.
Attitude toward property is comunistic-negating property rights.
Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate. whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.
Results in demagogism license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.
Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.
A certain Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."
A democracy is majority rule and is destructive of liberty because there is no law to prevent the majority from trampling on individual rights. Whatever the majority says goes! A lynch mob is an example of pure democracy in action. There is only one dissenting vote, and that is cast by the person at the end of the rope.
Republic:
Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.
Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.
Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.
A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.
Do Republicans still use Ptolemy's calendar?
Are they aware that we are not still in the first millenium?
We need to look at a "No Party Left Behind" edumacation proposal.
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The vast majority of Texans don't want to secede, and the Governor has explicitly said he's against it as well.
Well, to be fair, he did say that well after supporting it, then being ridiculed by most of the national Media.
The majority of Texans likewise don't consider themselves Southerners
I'm glad someone finally addressed this. Southerners don't consider Texas part of the South, and they don't see Texans as Southerners either.
I'm from tx and the succession stuff is really just a joke. The majority don't care about that here even though the governor makes a reference to it. And Texas is considered southwest with NM, OK, LA.
Well, to be fair, he did say that well after supporting it, then being ridiculed by most of the national Media.
I don't recall him ever saying it. He just didn't protest too much, due to his upcoming primary race against Hutchison, who will likely prevail in any general election, but will be hobbled in the primaries by the sort who show up to vote in them - precisely the sort Perry was courting by refusing to shout down. Basically he's just playing icky politics of the most divisive kind - and sad to say, it just might work.
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"Young Republicans: Racism, Hate, Psychotic Paranoia and Intimidation; Just Like the Old Republicans"
No, I seed things that show the true colors of the republicans/conservatives/neocons. And most of what I seed I see as truisms or I woudn't be seeding it. Unlike you I generally don't go around commenting on the seeder.
You are a troll. You've offered nothing about the seed other than to attack me.
If you don't like the seed then take yourself out, go find a seed by someone you like or likes you.
I will continue to "bash" the right until they start to police their own. I don't give in to you and you ilk because they don't like seeing the truth.
Hmm, looks a smidge like the pot calling the kettle black, no? lol
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republican democracy
It doesn't matter what you call it.
A democratic republic or a republican democracy means the same thing.
Republic means we don't decide every issue by direct vote. Rather we have representatives that vote on the issues. In a Republic the representatives can be appointed or elected by the government itself. The Democratic part simply means a vote of the people elects the government.
I'm not sure how painting almost 50% of the electorate with a broad brush contributes to civil and meaningful discourse.
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I'm not sure how the vanishing Republican party contributes anything to America other than vestiges of hate, wars, torture, corporate rape of the earth and the middle class, and other things destructive to our wellbeing, to peace, to the environment.
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I asked the same question when so many were painted with the American hater traitor brush for questioning the Iraq war. Of course those painting with that brush were the highest elected officials.
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Climate change a made up liberial way to make money. The planet has warmed approximately 0.74 degree celsius in 100 years.
Top 10 recipients of enviomental special interest cash from 2000-2004
john kerry
al gore
paul wellstone
barbara boxer
bill bradley
mark udall
jay inslee
jeanne shaheen
jean carnahan
barack obama
All democrats how interesting
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john, The only thing that proves is that Democrats are very concerned about the environment and the future of our planet.
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then i hope they donate every penny they make from their endeavors saving the world to charity.
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Sure thats what it proves I don't know why I didn't see it before.
Oh wait a second I remember now...Because I'm not blind
Wake up and open your eyes..
Al gore is so concerened about the envioment that he takes his private jet every where he goes. but its for the better good though right.
All of the people on the list also have invested millions of their own money betting that the climate change scare tatics will work I'm sure their concern is only for the envirment though.
one half of one degree over one hundred years
ooooo! scary
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The only scary part of climate change is that our children are being indoctrinated in schools. Teaching them that global warming is real when its not. What else are these liberal teachers in public schools and colleges teaching our children. Bill ayers for one and the other 80% of college professors claim to liberal democrats that push liberal ideology.
John,
There is an equal argument that Bush/Cheney family and friends have profited beyond belief with the Iraq war at the cost of thousand of American lives.
Someone is always going to benefit, and I say always follow the money, but hopefully alternatives to fossil fuels will not cost lives. We are looking to make use of more environmentally friendly alternatives available in our own country. (Except nuclear, but that's another debate in its self). Who is against cleaner air and purer water. Buying water - never thought I would see it, air could be next, I guess.
The subject was racism originally I believe. I have lived in a predominantly white area of the country most of my life. I personally know many racists. I openly tell them I disagree with racial profiling. This area normally votes Republican. Still, not all racist I know are Republicans, and not all Republicans I know are racist. I have voted Republican, and I have voted Democrat. However, since we are electing a President to represent the entire nation, I would think it would be in the best interest of both parties to support a non-racist candidate for POTUS. So if your party selects someone who even allows racist remarks at a campaign rally without pointing out it is unacceptable you might have a problem denying your candidate is racist. And if you don't mind racist remarks being made by members of your party, you might be a racist.
And yes I might be a redneck according to some of the criteria set by Jeff Foxworthy and it's cool. But racism isn't.
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I'm not sure how painting almost 50% of the electorate with a broad brush contributes to civil and meaningful discourse.
Only 20% of Americans say they are Republicans. The party is in trouble. They have no new ideas and no leader.
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John, Democrats and liberals have always been more concerned about the environment. I am not going to argue with you over global warming. It is too exhausting and time consuming. Let's just agree to disagree.
John, One more thing. Did Cheney donate all of his profits from the government projects that the Bush administration gave to him? Just curious.
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Is Cheney having tea with terrorist. NO! Al gore is killing the environment with his private jet, and preaching to everyone else that we are killing the earth with our cars give me a break.
If you want to fight pollution fine thats something I could get behind. But don't use global warming to scare people into thinking their cars are causing tsunamis in Indonesia to try and make money off wind turbines. and what about nuclear it is safe, has virtually no pollution , and is technology we have now it is by far the cheapest, longest lasting clean energy we have and yet all the greenies don't support it why is that?
I will tell you why Its all about the money why else would they not support nuclear power
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Having tea with terrorists? Wow, how creative! So are your other comments here. When it comes to nuclear power, yes, it works pretty well, that is, until there is a nuclear meltdown or leak.
When it comes to nuclear power, yes, it works pretty well, that is, until there is a nuclear meltdown or leak.
What do you think we should replace it with, and don't say wind or solar, they are not up to the necessary capability we need now, much less years from now.
Where will we put these vast number of turbine and solar farms?
Sorry, currently Coal and Nuclear are the only viable power generating technologies for those states that don't have access to geothermal and hydroelectric on a large scale.
Well I'm a partial fan of the T Boone Picken's plan, which, while delayed, is still very much in the offing. It wouldn't take long, if the nation truly committed to solar and wind, to get a sizeable portion from it. But I don't think it'd cover all our needs - and I've no problem with nuclear power, though I understand others have their doubts, and I understand them. Frankly I prefer nuclear to coal anyday.
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MJV, I am not saying that we should do away with nuclear energy. I am just saying that it has it's own problems. John implied that it is safe and I was just saying that it could be catastrophic if there was a leak, a meltdown or if a plant was ever bombed by terrorists. You just cannot deny that it won't ever happen because it already has happened.
You just cannot deny that it won't ever happen because it already has happened.
Modern facilities are far and away better, the chance of a problem is remote. But remote is not the same as nonexistent, and certainly they are a tempting target. Still I toss my lot in with them, as if properly placed, with proper security and upkeep, frankly I think they'll do less long-term damage than coal plants, even so-called "clean" ones.
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Leadership in part is about setting the tone regarding what is and is not acceptable. Shay has set the bar fairly low with her obnoxious tone and disgraceful messages to her peer group.
Unfortunately, this was a predictable outcome of the bigotry and hate-mongering perpetuated by the McCain/Palin ticket and the RNC during the 2008 campaign. These racist and right-wing extremist nut-jobs feel that the GOP mainstream has their backs.
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Hmm...."he's a terrorist" or "he's a Aye-Rab" comes to mind right away, afterwards I can hear the faint song "Barack the Magic Negro" playing in the background somewhere.
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True examples of hate? How about attending Rev. Wright's church for nearly 20 years while the "reverend" screamed "God damn America!" with the audience clapping and cheering?
Either Obama approves of the hate his "former" pastor preached or is a clueless simpleton. You can't be going to the same church for nearly 20 years without basically agreeing to what the pastor is preaching!
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Do you even know what a Magic Negro is?
The character singing the song was meant to be Al Sharpton.
A Magic Negro is a literary stock character of immense wisdom or power, sometimes magical in nature, usually low class like a janitor or a prison, and a black guy, who has no ambitions other than to serve the white loser protagonist.
Thanks for proving the point. I thought originally that you were going to disprove the conservative stereotype, but you've come through in more ways than I could have ever hoped for.... thanks.
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Now, insinuating that the government gives blacks drugs, that's just stupid.
Our government has done far worse. You might want to read up on the Tuskegee study.
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questforfire you can't be serious. Examples of hate mongering on the part of the GOP? How about a Tennessee state senate office has distributing a poster of the Presidents of the United States with our current POTUS depicted as two eyes on a black background. Or the republican mayor of Los Alamitos distributing a post card depicting a watermelon grove in front of the White House. Or GOP activist Rusty DePass referring to an escaped gorilla as an ancestor of the First Lady. Or Republican Minnesota Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann blaming the entire global financial meltdown on black people. Lets not forget about candidate Ronald Reagan announcing his candidacy in the county where murdered civil rights workers were buried. Or Senator Trent Lott’s assertion that our country would have been better off had segregationist Strom Thurmond had been elected President. Or George H.W. Bush’s “Willie Horton” ad. Or Jesse Helms’ “White Hands” ad. Or Lee Atwater’s public admissions about the effectiveness of the “Southern Strategy”.
And these are just the elected and party officials questforfire. Adding comments from the SCHLIBOM’s (wing-nut media hosts) would take an entirely new seed. Finally, there aren’t enough electrons to tally up the hateful blog and message board commentary.
Hatemongering is what a disturbingly significant portion of the republican/conservative establishment does with Pavlovian consistency. Whether its blacks, gays, latinos and non-Christians, the GOP campaign playbook is the tell stupid people who to hate and who to fear. It is so well a used playbook that now they've lost control of it and they can no longer keep their racists under the rocks until election time.
The evidence of conservative hatemongering is too long a list to write.
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I know about it. Guess what. No one was given syphilis. People with it were allowed to die. Our government will watch bad things happen and take notes more readily than do bad things.
Because that just makes it all better. /sarcasm
Also, when we know who's really bringing in the drugs, blaming the government is just stupid.
Yes how incredibly stupid to believe that we can't find kilos of cocaine, heroine, and marijuana, which comes into our borders everyday, but we can find a man hidden down a hole in the middle of no where (Saddam ), and outside our borders no less. Yep your right we should hold fast in believing our government, who spends more money on defense than any other country on Earth combined, is completely powerless to stop drugs from coming across the border. That makes tons of sense.
What was the reason the telephone companies were spying on us again? i thought that if we were giving up civil liberties we should be getting something in return.
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Leadership in part is about setting the tone regarding what is and is not acceptable. Shay has set the bar fairly low with her obnoxious tone and disgraceful messages to her peer group.
Unfortunately, this was a predictable outcome of the bigotry and hate-mongering perpetuated by the McCain/Palin ticket and the RNC during the 2008 campaign. These racist and right-wing extremist nut-jobs feel that the GOP mainstream has their backs.
And they do, she was elected and the republicans keep rolling on, hate and fear is the name of the game for the republicans.
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Please explain the "hate-mongering" and cite examples.
Hate-mongering- what Rush Limbaugh does everyday on the EIB network, along with fear mongering, attention mongering, lying, distorting, misinforming and being generally the most negative person I have ever had the misfortune of listening to.
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Hate-mongering- what Rush Limbaugh does everyday on the EIB network, along with fear mongering, attention mongering, lying, distorting, misinforming and being generally the most negative person I have ever had the misfortune of listening to.
What (other then being a member of the GOP) does Rush have to do with " the bigotry and hate-mongering perpetuated by the McCain/Palin ticket and the RNC during the 2008 campaign."?
Rush was never a member of, nor a spokesman for the McCain/Palin campaign or the RNC.
I could spew Democrat propaganda to all who will listen, but that doesn't make me a member of any Democrat campaign or the DNC.
Nice try though.
The evidence of conservative hatemongering is too long a list to write.
Probably as long as the hatemongering list from the left. Jesse Jackson's "Hymie town" comment. Rev Wright and his racist church. Cynthia McKinney and her anti semitism captured on video but was given a free pass with no criticism from you leftists. I see hatemongering here on NV from leftists all the time. God forbid if you're white, southern, Republican, Christian or a combination of them all.
You libs love to point out the racist from the right but completely ignore or freaking justify your own racists.
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NyPeach...still battling mental health I see! I have full confidence that you will become successful!
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NyPeach...still battling mental health I see! I have full confidence that you will become successful!
Ok SC, step up to the plate and show where he is wrong instead of personal attacks.
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So none of you have a sense of humor? and yes NyPeach is battling mental health...read her past postings! I'm done with talking to children! There are adults out there with more relevant things to say and comment on, not people who project their own personality disorders on other people. Time for you to find a "teen" cite to blog on! MatB..your seventeen I'm 51! I've been around a lot longer than you and should not have to answer to some one who is still wet behind the ears..have some respect for your more educated wiser elders if you ar able to.
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So none of you have a sense of humor?
I laugh all the time reading your posts. For an "elderly and not-so-wet-behind-the-ears" NV poster, your rantings aren't half bad.
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dwillie, Thank you for your great post (#3.9)! You hit the nail on the head. I would like to offer a few of my own examples...the guy at the Pallin"hate rally" that had the stuffed monkey toy with the Obama sticker across it's head, they guy that yelled "kill him" with Palin not even skipping a beat or acknowledging and condemning it, the kids in line at one of her rallies acting like monkeys when the parents said the name Obama, etc. Heck, what about McCain calling Obama "that one" during the debate, as if he wasn't even worthy of addressing him by name! Racists don't like to be called out on how vile and disgusting they are.
jkyrstof...when people attack you must defend yourself! It's relevant! I don't like to get off thread but I for one am not going to let people get away with ridiculous remarks that are clearly meant to inflame! Ny Peach..I DON"T rant I post with deserved passion! But I would not expect you to actually know the difference.
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SC here is NY Post,
Probably as long as the hatemongering list from the left. Jesse Jackson's "Hymie town" comment. Rev Wright and his racist church. Cynthia McKinney and her anti semitism captured on video but was given a free pass with no criticism from you leftists. I see hatemongering here on NV from leftists all the time. God forbid if you're white, southern, Republican, Christian or a combination of them all.
You libs love to point out the racist from the right but completely ignore or freaking justify your own racists.
Feel free to let me know where she mentions your name in there? All she mentions is that she see's hate talk from the left on here as well. That's absolutely all she says in her post. She didn't hate on anyone one person in this post.
Now look at yours.
NyPeach...still battling mental health I see! I have full confidence that you will become successful!
So none of you have a sense of humor? and yes NyPeach is battling mental health...read her past postings! I'm done with talking to children! There are adults out there with more relevant things to say and comment on, not people who project their own personality disorders on other people. Time for you to find a "teen" cite to blog on! MatB..your seventeen I'm 51! I've been around a lot longer than you and should not have to answer to some one who is still wet behind the ears..have some respect for your more educated wiser elders if you ar able to.
How many times did you mention NYPeach? You're making derogatory posts directly at NYPeach (along with others) which are meant to inflame (read below).
You said defend yourself, well yes, but I don't see them attacking you anywhere? You're looking deep for a reason to get on a comment you didn't like.
Then you have the nerve to post
I for one am not going to let people get away with ridiculous remarks that are clearly meant to inflame!
But will say this to NYPeach
yes NyPeach is battling mental health...read her past postings! I'm done with talking to children! There are adults out there with more relevant things to say and comment on, not people who project their own personality disorders on other people.
Is that not hypocrisy? At it's finest I might add.
Yes, we are also allowed to have a sense of humor, just as long as you let people with opposing views as yours to have a sense of humor too.
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tweetheart, if your friend makes a racist comment does that make you racist?
That's about the connection you made with Palin and someone in her audience shouting something racist. give me a break, that holds zero substance. That does not make someone racist. Think rationally about that situation. While yes it'd be nice to rebut the comment it does not make you a racist if you don't rebut your friend's racist comment.
But it's your type of assessment that all the sudden turns a person into a racist and it's sad.
Man, I still can't even fathom how you can't make that connection. She is speaking at a rally with tons of people and cannont be held accountable for other peoples actions. im amazing a person can't understand that.
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At the time of my post NYPeach's first comment was 3.15 on this thread. It didn't mention Schroed in the post (but was taken by Schroed as personal) and really wasn't posting anything hateful towards one person on NV. Just bringing light to the fact that some people on the left post hateful things as well.
If NYPeach makes derogatory posts elsewhere on NV I'm not speaking to those because I only see what's on this thread.
Of course they would count, but I can't seem to find many with respect to comment 3.15 and Schroed. Are there previous posts to 3.15 that I'm missing?
NYPeach's comment in 3.21 only came in response to something Schroed posted. Which I guess did what it's suppose to do, inflame.
jkrystof, In the first place, if a friend of mine made a racist remark, they would no longer be my friend nor would they have EVER been my friend. Secondly, if someone makes a racist remark, and you pretend that it didn't happen, then you are condoning the remark, especially if you are running for the vice-presidency against a black candidate. See the difference? You can try to defend Palin all you want. You are just trying to cover up the racism that was shown at her "hate rallies".
I don't care about defending Palin, I honestly think she's an idiot and I'm not covering up for any racism at a rally. I know what happened there. Look, in this instance you aren't condoning anything as representing your beliefs if someone in a crowd yells something. Palin is speaking in front of a large audience and has topics on her mind. It's not her job to correct every person there nor do I expect her to. I certainly don't make someone out to be a racist when comments come from another person. Your words and actions will deem you racist And lets also remember she did come out and say she didn't agree with this person in the aftermath.
If you ignore a comment it does not mean you condone it. I ignore dumb comments by plenty of people, family, friends, co-workers. It does not mean I subscribe to it and does not put me in the same boat as them. It's just ridiculous to make connections like that. I could turn a truly good person into looking like garbage under this kind of thinking.
I hope you prescreen all of your friends, wouldn't want to be associated with anything you don't believe in. I
tweetheart -
jkrystof, In the first place, if a friend of mine made a racist remark, they would no longer be my friend nor would they have EVER been my friend. Secondly, if someone makes a racist remark, and you pretend that it didn't happen, then you are condoning the remark, especially if you are running for the vice-presidency against a black candidate. See the difference? You can try to defend Palin all you want. You are just trying to cover up the racism that was shown at her "hate rallies".
How can a friend make a racist comment and then never have been your friend? I don't think thats realistically possible.
More on topic... so if someone you consider a friend, call a friend, have dinner with, and have known for 20 years makes inflammatory and racist comments, and they continue to be your friend, mentor, etc., according to your own words, you are then condoning what they have said, especially if you are running for POTUS. See the irony? And that wasn't a one time event at a "hate rally," that was 20 years of preaching.
Yet a one time comment from some random yahoo in a crowd of thousands is now the definition of a "hate rally." Riiiiight.
jkrystof, I don't think that you saw all of the racism that was happening outside of and during her rallies. And, I do not recall her eversaying that she disagreed with the person who said that. Can you give me your source for that information? If you would like more examples of the type of people who were her followers, I can get it for you. There are plenty of videos to prove my point right on the internet.
Over Seas, Read my post again. I said that they would have never been my friend in the first place. If I went out to dinner with someone for the first time, and race came into the discussion, that would be the end of my relationship with them. Racists always screw up eventually and use some derogatory name or make some comment. It makes a difference to me, what kind of people are drawn to a particular candidate. That is just the way I am. I saw the type of people that went to Palin's rallies. "Birds of a feather flock together". Remember?
tweet -
It makes a difference to me, what kind of people are drawn to a particular candidate. That is just the way I am. I saw the type of people that went to Palin's rallies. "Birds of a feather flock together". Remember?
So you are prejudging people based on what they look like and what political rallies they attend now. Interesting.
Outside of it being a Klan rally with everyone wearing pointy hoods (which would be patently obvious to anyone), you are being quite intolerant.
No, I am basing it on what was coming out of their mouths. I didn't need, nor did I want to hear any more of their disgusting comments. By the way, alot of those people might as well have been wearing their pointy hoods.
questforfire
Please explain the "hate-mongering" and cite examples.
Well...You asked
"Obama Bin Lauden [sic] is the new terrorist… Muslim is on there side [sic]… need to take this country back from all of these mad coons… and illegals." A few minutes later Shay responded,
"You tell em Eric! lol."
Yes, Eric, friend of the newly elected young Republicans tell them about taking OUR country back...From the COONS. LAUGH-OUT-LOUD.
This doesn't pass as hate mongering on the Right?
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/sheriff-joes-rabid-supporters-spew-h
Well, we've seen plenty of recent evidence that Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the nativist law-enforcement chief of Maricopa County, Arizona, attracts genuine extremists in support of his cause.
This recently released YouTube by Humanleague makes the case even more starkly. Its centerpiece is the opening comments by an avid supporter of the Minutemen and Sheriff Arpaio named Brandi Baron, who opines thus:
Baron: I say, give orders to shoot to kill, and kill any man, woman or child who comes across the border illegally. I'll bet you, you kill enough of them, right off the bat, people will stop coming over that way.
[Questioner]
That's what I just said. Personally, I think a minefield would be good. Why build a fence when you can plant some mines?
Q: You just said that you would kill kids.
Baron: If they're being drug across the border, hell yes. The difference between those people and us -- Our country is No. 1. Theirs? Pffft!
This sort of inhuman callousness and disregard for human life is part and parcel of why nativist movements like the Minutemen -- and the mainstream embrace of such factions by public figures like Arpaio -- inevitably spawn violent offspring like Shawna Forde and her gang of killer Minutemen, who gunned down a family in cold blood because they mistakenly believed the father was a big-time drug dealer with cash on the premises. There's a powerful continuum between gangs like Forde's and "mainstream" nativists like Arpaio and his supporters.
AsAs Jill Garvey at Imagine 2050 observes:
This is exactly why Shawna Forde felt justified in breaking into a Latino family's home and murdering a little girl and her father.
While some of the individuals featured on this video may be unstable or exhibit strange behavior, they are not crazy. These are functioning adults who are perfectly capable of behaving in a reasonable manner. They choose not to. They choose hate over tolerance. They choose to advocate violence over rational dialogue. Violence against immigrants occurs because bigots in positions of power (Sheriff Joe) set the stage and provide an atmosphere that make it acceptable.
Freepers Madness, in a fit of racist political pique, have taken to launching attacks against an 11 year old...For wearing a t-shirt!
"we;'re being represented by a family of ghetto trash."
"Looks like a bunch of ghetto thugs. A stain on America."
"Looks like a typical street whore
http://themick90068.newsvine.com/_news/2009/07/10/3014210-freepers-officially-launch-attack-on-obamas-11-year-old-daughter-ghetto-trash?commentId=8171826&threadId=623650&#c8176378
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#6 - Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:56 PM EDTKeep in mind that many Conservatives don't consider racism to be hate, they consider it to be a right, passed down for generations. They think it is folksy and American. They see it in the same light as Baseball and apple pie. It's Americana to them. It's tradition.
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MatM...with all these nails being driven in so perfectly well have this coffin for the GOP built in no time!
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Cat,
I think they'll beat us to it. They seem to be constructing this coffin from the inside, out.
- 5 votes
MatM it must be hard to see in there with the overwhelming darkness! but that is SOP with the GOP!..trundle on through the dark cursing all the while and not enough common sense to light a single candle...
Not all republicans are like that.
Racism is not a GOP thing, they are just racists in this country. The Republican Party is not racist, some conservatives and republicans use racist remarks to express their hate towards Obama, but don't assume they speak for the Republican Party, some Republicans use the proper way to express their disagreements towards the president.
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The problem is the Racist portion Right Wing Republican party are speak out and causing problems. The rest of the Republicans are either constantly defending, not saying anything, don't care, are not doing anything.
These people are destroying the Republican party, and only a few people like Meghan are only ones saying and doing anything.
It the same for Christianity, you have the extreme Right causing problems, and rest of the other Christians are not doing practically nothing.
You don't do anything, Republican Party will may forever lose the minorities, progressives and youth.
Maybe, media is right. Democrats will own a generation of Americans.
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FutureS, of course racism is not a ubiquitous condition in the republican party. But more and more, thinking people a not letting the GOP simply get away with saying that such hateful sentiments are limited. The young republicans have elected a leader who has at the very least cheerled racist comments. As importantly, we do not see GOP leaders offering aggressive public condemnation of hateful messages that come from within the GOP establishment and from their supporters. President Obama explicitly rejected both Rev. Wright and Minister Farrakhan. He also kept his distance from both Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson. The only GOP leader mounting any kind of rebuttal to hate messages among conservatives is Colin Powell. Pawlenty, Romney and Huckabee have been smart enough to distance themselves from the republican freak show of Palin, Werzelbacher, Limbaugh, Ensign, Sanford, etc. But come election time, they will want and seek the support of the most virulently hateful and malevolent sectors of the GOP in order to win the Presidency.
Until republicans make racism persona non grata within their ranks, the racists among them will keep showing their ugliness to America and the GOP will find it increasingly difficult to win elections in a nation only growing in diversity.
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Jaywow, MatB is a seventeen year old troll. Don't waste your time with him.
- 9 votes
Not all republicans are like that.
Racism is not a GOP thing, they are just racists in this country. The Republican Party is not racist, some conservatives and republicans use racist remarks to express their hate towards Obama, but don't assume they speak for the Republican Party, some Republicans use the proper way to express their disagreements towards the president.
And i agree not all republicans are racist but most of their leaders are and they show that every day, it was obvious that when president Obama was elected the republicans had to get one, what happen to that one.
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And i agree not all republicans are racist but most of their leaders are and they show that every day, it was obvious that when president Obama was elected the republicans had to get one, what happen to that one.
Yes, and you know what? There are probably just as many racist Democrats. If we are going to get rid of racism in this country, why don't we stop tagging all or most Republicans as being racist and not interested in minorities?
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King, I disagree. The more I listen to the Republicans and their favorite mouthpieces like Limbaugh and others on Faux News, the more I see the racism. Democrats in general have always been more open minded ie. liberal. Republican racism was painfully obvious at the "Palin hate rallies". Please, do not try to deny the disgusting behavior by the racists at those rallies. You can also see racism right here everyday on the vine and most blog sites. Racism is still running rampant across our country. Very sad.
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Jaywow -
You are what your party/group displays.
And this is the kind of attitude that is at the core of every racist comment ever spoken.
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Future, cant you agree that over the past 25 years, the Repub party has had a higher % of racists?? C'mon, cant you agree to at least some truth in that regard?
The 'Southern Strategy' of the Republican Party over the past 35 years has been overwhelmingly successful (until very recently) at ensuring Southern White Males voted in lockstep to keep the 'pubs in office. Dont imagine you ever read the book 'American Theocracy' by Ken Phillips?? (you know, the former GOP top guy who coined the term 'Sun Belt'?) You should..he well documents the strategies used to motivate the 'base'.
We are now 'Whistling Past Dixie' in this regard, as the Repub base continues to shrink.. maybe now the party will go back to it's original roots of being the 'Party of Lincoln' and not 'The Party of God', with it's thinly veiled Manifest Destiny rantings.
BTW, Naples, that moniker wouldnt be referring to Naples, Fla, (home of the highest % of billionaires in the US) would it?? Methinks the 'King" may be worried about losing the inheritance...
- 4 votes
I too disagree with you Naples. The GOP has been playing to white racial resentment for nearly half a century. Now, their electoral support is limited to the south and a decreasing number of western states. To say that there are equal numbers of racists in both parties is pure fantasy. Look at the list of things that have occurred just since the President was elected (it is only a partial list) and then share with us the equivalent racist offerings from the democrats.
- 5 votes
The question that republicans need to ask themselves is not, is the GOP full of racists? Its why are the racists so attracted to this party and feel they can call them an ally.
Those Republicans/Conservatives that are against these ideas need to stand up and take over their party not bash those like Megan McCain and Powell for doing what is best.
- 6 votes
The reason why everything has been happening on the GOP side is because the racist Democrats won! Now had McCain won, I promise you the black Democrats would have been up in arms saying Obama was cheated out of the White House just like Kerry when Bush won.
- 1 vote
Tyler...I believe that JayWow's postings 7.2 & 7.4 should be restored, although somewhat of a general broad stroke it IS up to his detractors to not only prove he is wrong but bring facts to the table to PROVE IT!
- 1 vote
History is repeating, in the early to mid 1900s all the racists were democrats. Low and behold the democrats went out of power and didn't return until they threw the racists out. Guess where all those jackasses ran to...
The fact of the matter is the country has grown a little, we're not all singing "Peace, Love and Understanding" just yet but we've grown a little. The GOP has been hijacked by religious extremists and remnants of the old Confederacy. Which probably explains why they've been almost regulated to a southern regional party.
This doesn't mean all Republicans are racists or fanatics. A few are trying to take back their party. Some are clueless and others are jumping ship to become independents or even Democrats.
The racists aren't necessarily as hardcore as the KKK, they're more soft racists that let it cloud their judgment. And lets not pretend either, there's some "reverse-racism" as well, mostly driven by resentment of wrongs done to them, real or imagined.
- 2 votes
The racist democrats won, Naples? Would you care to identify specifically who among the democrats are racist along with specific evidence? Or do you simply throw the word around in a pathetically juvenile attempt to manufacture umbrage and lay claim to some unwarranted victim status? If you're going to engage debate, you should at least exercise the courtesy of making sense occasionally. Any intelligent person would be embarrassed to be associated with your comments.
- 2 votes
Yeah... the blacks who all voted for Obama. Maybe that's a little difficult for you to understand but anyone with common sense can see that the reason why more people came out to vote this time around was because more blacks actually gave a damn because it was a black guy running for president.
Tell me, what do you honestly think would have happened had McCain won? Just think about it. Obama, running to be the first black president, loses. Do you honestly believe that the black community as well as heart bleeding liberals would just let it go? No, instead this entire situation would be reversed. Like I said, it's all common sense. You just have to THINK for once and realize that both sides are not much different.
King why not grab some statistics off the net to prove your point. Data says a lot.
Wow, Naples. You need prayer badly. You're either a racist who needs to deflect your obvious character flaw onto others or, as I said above, you're so desparate to manufacture umbrage that you simply make up reasons to claim some victim status. Black people have been voting for the democratic presidential nominee for the last 45 years. Republicans haven't helped with their blatant plays to racism throughout that period. GOP appeals to racial resentment have produced pathetically vacuous people like you. Gore got 95% of the black vote. Kerry got 93%. Black people generally vote for the democratic nominee. Barack Obama was the democratic nominee. His opponent is from the last state to honor Martin Luther King with a holiday. His opponent is from a state that aggressively racial profiles motorists. His opponent is republican and eventhough most black voters are socially conservative (70% of black people voted for Proposition 8), they shun the republican party because they would have to align with people like you.
Black people voted against Michael Steele in his Maryland Senate run. Black people voted against Lynn Swann and in favor or Ed Rendell for the Pennsylvania governor's seat. Black people have a history of voting their interests, not their race, and have voted for white candidates throughout history. Your position is absolutely and completely nonsensical.
Your sense is anything but common.
- 2 votes
The reason blacks vote Democratic is because they know they will get a handout from them. Enough said on the matter. This is my opinion and I woud prefer you not to pray. I'm pretty sure I can take care of myself.
King IMO 7.22 is a racist comment. Will you deny it isn't?
- 2 votes
First you say that blacks voted for Obama because they're racist. Now, you say they vote for any democratic nominee because they are looking for handouts. So, in your view, blacks are nothing but racists looking for handouts. Congratulations, Naples, you've shown yourself to be a bonafide racist.
Perhaps blacks vote for democrats because too many people in the republican party share your reprehensible, hateful and twisted perspective. A perspective that becomes manifest in repulsive political rhetoric and damaging policy. Your unwarranted hostility toward black people is apparent and indicative of a detestable, tragically flawed character. You definitely need prayer.
- 3 votes
What I think is a bit disingenuous is the fact that Palin and her ilk complain about unfair treatment from the media, after they effectively tried to paint Obama as a Muslim Socialist/Fascist Baby-killing terrorist. Do they really expect special treatment?
- 13 votes
#9 - Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:17 PM EDTSo after they get to spread their Lies, bigotry,hate,vitriol,racism amd what have you. Now they deserve fair? You want fair? Well where was the FAIR when they were spewing all that CRAP? Just asking!
- 9 votes
Just remember, Palin is targeting certain demographic of American public. She has not interest in targeting the Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Indians, Gay & Lesbians, Hippies, etc. She one of Racist problems.
She may have a black pastor. She even may have him over for dinner. Just imagine one of her kids dating or marrying non-white. Just Who Coming To Dinner?
Unfortunately, Ultra Right Wing Republican Conservatives owns greater portion of wealth in the United States. It easy to create fear toward declining majority.
- 9 votes
Aalaf Alot -
Unfortunately, Ultra Right Wing Republican Conservatives owns greater portion of wealth in the United States. It easy to create fear toward declining majority.
Your source for this statement would be....?
Look at the top 20 of the Forbes 400 list. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Larry Ellison, Michael Bloomberg, Charles Koch, David Koch, Paul Allen, Anne Cox Chambers, George Kaiser... hardly a list of Ultra Right Wing Republican Conservatives. Sure there are a few Republican supporters, but unless you are using the same criteria as jaywow does (support of a party = in bed with the worst of the party) the moderate/liberal ideology is far more prevelant.
LOL!
As a Hispanic voter.......I welcome the chance to see Sarah Palin trying to relate to the Hispanic Community.
That would be an E-ticket ride worth watching her lose her lunch over.
- 10 votes
#10 - Sun Jul 12, 2009 11:50 PM EDTi didnt know they taught mexicans to read down in that piece of crap country old mexico
Hispanic != Mexican.
marvin roosevelt wilson, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 and #5 of the Code of Honor. Do better.
Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks. If you see something disrespectful or inappropriate, report it - rather than further inflaming the situation.
...
Think of the San Andreas fault.
Uh what. Karlin never builds on this, just leaves it hanging.
- 6 votes
Please...not another clone of Palin! One of these vile Republicans is enough for a lifetime.
- 6 votes
Disdain for Palin? Definitely. Contempt? Perhaps. Fear? Not so much.
- 13 votes
She doesn't scare me at all, Mat. You should know that by now. Come on. Are you saying that Palin is the only woman in the Republican Party that they can come up with, to lead their party? If so, that is pathetic. She is pathetic.
- 5 votes
So that is it in a nutshell, eh mat? Looks are all that matters when it comes to Palin and Palin is the only attractive woman in the entire Republican Party. Perfect.
- 7 votes
Palin's the only one that would get the under 20 male crowd's attention
Under 20 year old white male Republican nincompoops who think Palin is a MILF. Yeah, now that's an overwhelming majority of voters -NOT.
Get a brain, Matty!
- 6 votes
MatB: Well, it's fairly well known what part of the body the under 20 male crowd "thinks" with.......are you asserting that the Republicant party chose Bailin' Palin because her looks would get the votes in? That is one of the funniest things (and also elicits a "ewwwwww") I've read today! Also, and don't forget...she is no longer a governor - she quit!
- 6 votes
My father is deceased, Mat, but even from the grave, he could kick your ass.
Are you really 17? Go play Halo and leave politics to grownups.
- 4 votes
Kim, Mat has admitted that he is 17. I knew he was young by his comments before he even said what his age was.
- 1 vote
Kim Bauer is indeed a twit and has nothing to do with this topic.
- 1 vote
What is God's name is a MILF?
Google is a wonderful tool.
- 1 vote
Yes, kim, didn't you know that everyone watches "24"? LOL Now, one of their characters is acting out his part in real life! Scary! Very scary! (John Voight....what a nutjob!)
- 1 vote
MJV in Wisconsin...... Thank you,I don't know why it didn't dawn on me to do that.
OMG!!!!!!!!
JECD, Yes, now you know what her "claim to fame" is with some of the Republicans! Great reason to vote for someone, huh? LOL!
Great reason to vote for someone, huh?
Sort of like voting for someone because of their race and not because of their beliefs?
Are you implying that everyone that voted for Obama voted for him because of his race? Here we go again with that BS. Let's not go there again. Mat was implying that the under 20 year old Republicans voted for Palin because of her appearance. As he put it...her TOLERABLE appearance. Go back and start at my comment #12.
The thing that makes me want to run and hide when Palin is around is when she opens her yapper. And, she does that way to often.
- 8 votes
#13 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:33 AM EDTJECD
So after they get to spread their Lies, bigotry,hate,vitriol,racism amd what have you. Now they deserve fair?
You got that so right my friend.
Now Sarah I view as a political godsend, but I did have sympathies for what I saw as sexist coverage in the media, though knew she was such a god awful candidate for our friends on the rights.
The only thing that irked me about her was was her junkyard dog attacks and ratcheting up the hatred on the right . There was such a demonstrable change after the scorched earth politics came into play, even the secret service blamed Palins rhetoric for the uptick in violent threats against the candidate ...and his wife. This was around the same time one ,then another plot to ... you know came.
I view the right at the end of its ideological rope, they thrived for years on low quality rhetoric, and now those very tactics are costing them constituents...and elections.
We need a 2 party system at the very least. Cons and Libs have to deal with each other ...forever. Like the half white half black guys in that old star trek. We have to get to a more moderate tone. I don't see that happening in the GOP for at least a decade.
- 2 votes
#14 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:41 AM EDTA decade if they're lucky. I really think there's a generational gap, and it's not just because of age, it has to do with the explosion of communication technologies. For the first time people are able to discuss and spread the word across the country in literally minutes. Regional party politics of pitting one group against another is beginning to break down. Voting blocs aren't as concentrated geographically like they used to be.
And the country (the rest of the world for that matter, is urbanizing at a breakneck pace. And generally the republican's don't do as well in urban centers.
- 2 votes
marvin roosevelt wilson
GOD said liberals are vile---ScienceGuy-356641
God speaks to you, eh?
ScienceGuy,
Thats why I 'd be Jewish were I religious....
They
TALK
to God, they don't say He talks back.
- 5 votes
#15 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:44 AM EDTHetep and Respect Jaywow, I almost missed this. unfortunately it could be expected. I had hoped that humanist in the Republican party could have gotten a hold of the Rethuglacans.
Wasilla, in racist outlook, isn't really that far from Shay's Louisiana; in fact ideologically, they are next door neighbors
It is unfortunate that these folks do not understand that they need, A New American Health Care Plan (everyone in, no one out) - Vets no charge, to stay alive and healthy like the rest of us.
The good news is, that they are making it plain who they are and that will insure that we go green to the future and get UHC passed.
- 3 votes
#17 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:13 AM EDTThis does seem like trolling as the title clearly indicates who you want to pick a fight with and provoke.
But I have no doubt SOME Republicans are indeed racist.
For starters, I have heard more than a few Republicans say they would never vote for a non white candidate for president. Then I became well aware of the fact that the White Nationalists had an orchestrated Obama smear campaign during the presidential race. The recent attacks on Obama's family, his 11 year old daughter, the "ghetto trash" remark, the photoshopped poster of Obama as a tribal witch doctor with a bone through his nose, the photo of Michelle with the caption that she is making monkey sounds to entertain her daughter, etc... are lower than low cheap shots and sounds exactly like the previous White Nationalists smears.
The Republican Party needs to distance themselves from racists like this. It is freedom of speech, but so is the rest of Americans verbally ripping these people a new orofice.
Having said that I have to point out that both people on the right and left use this technique. They use one negative example or a few negative examples and then with a broad brush paint an ugly picture of all Republicans or all Democrats, all liberals or all conservatives. Of course, our political realities in America in 2009 are much more convoluted, diverse and complex. One of the ugliest realities is that our partisan divide is widening with this type of rhetoric.
#18 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:44 AM EDTmountainmike-1199289
Its my pipe dream that we could both left and right agree on something nobody entrenched in power wants.... Publicly funding elections.
Think of how much money we'd save, without the benefit of vested interests in our politicians pocket. Imagine they could now serve their constituents instead of chasing down $20,000 a day for the next cycle.
I think we'd get a better quality of PUBLIC SERVANTS. And it would open the field to 3rd parties , like conservative party that caucus w/republicans and ice versa.
Diversity without Parliamentary chaos and instability.
Never Happen. Could it?
Good
- 2 votes
#19 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:03 AM EDTUnfortunately both the current parties have no interest in making it easier for third parties. Don't expect them to be of any help. They'll fight tooth and nail to prevent it.
- 1 vote
#20 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:10 AM EDTAs an independent, I ask myself in rational terms, what America do I desire for my children? Certainly NOT what the Republicans are offering which is an unintelligible, rigid, racist, warmongering and discriminate America. Certainly not what the Democrats are offering which is a reckless spending, governmental dependency, and fiscally inept America. That leaves only a desire for a party that is inclusive, fiscally astute, strong and consistent in social values, hesitant and thoughtful in military engagement, and possessing rational superior intellect.
I hope for the sake of my children, there is a future for such leadership! The American people need and deserve it. Frankly, if this vine is a representation of the American philosophy...God help us all!
- 2 votes
#22 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:07 AM EDTI hear ya, I wish for a social liberal, fiscal conservative party to emerge every day.
- 1 vote
inclusive, fiscally astute, strong and consistent in social values, hesitant and thoughtful in military engagement, and possessing rational superior intellect.
I concur, unfortunately, those qualities seldom (if ever) come in a politician, only greed and the hunger for absolute power, no matter what their party affiliation or level of politics.
- 2 votes
21 deleted, R.SAENZ dropping the classic hate game:
god/religion is the root of ALL evil! A good republican is one that is six feet under!
You're suspended for a day for violating #5 - and #1 - of the Code of Honor. 'The only good [ ] is a dead [ ]' is really one of the most intolerant things you could say. It's hard to think of a group that people are okay with putting in those brackets.
And stop religi-trolling, too.
- 2 votes
hard to think of a group that people are okay with putting in those brackets.
I would put "food" in the brackets and I'd think alot of people would go along with that ;-)
Magnoliabel,
I advise you to take your own advice and read history! Your hostile use of words and thoughts such as ...hate...communist... are hostile sentiments that have proved historically to be the foundation for ALL wars and conflicts. How about you read history with the focus to CHANGE history? Rather than assert history as a validation for your personal platform!!
- 6 votes
#25 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:59 AM EDTThat article was about as vile and hate inspired as you can really get. I don't know what you were thinking when you decided to link it here but it's inflammatory, spiteful, and just mean. The article is racist in it's attack against anybody who may disagree with the Liberal Agenda and though you may not think that a person has a right to believe in Family Values, Pro-Life, or even Marriage between a man and a woman they do. All that article tries to do is intimidate one side from sticking up for the values they hold dear and to degrade an American for the sheer sick joy in that you can.
This article is just as bad as those people who want to kill Illegal Aliens crossing the border and maybe worse. Those people are sick, have a mental condition that they need treated for, but this... It is the signs of a twisted mind and it's tolerance is despicable.
It is promoting hatred, violence, and the destruction of a group of people simply because the articles author thinks they are above and beyond a certain group of people. The article shows the worst of humanity and is a shining example of bigotry. It is not news worthy, it's not an opinion, it's a twisted piece of propaganda that brings to light in a classic way on how Mass Genocide Organizations end up coming into power.
People who have met me wonder why I'm not a Democrat. It's exactly these type of articles from the Democratic Extremist Left, the Democratic Party tolerating this type of behavior, and the Liberal Press encouraging this type of Propaganda that has moved me so far to the right.
People who really do believe in tolerance, love, and hope will find many reasons to speak out against this type of hateful rheteric no matter what side they are on. Those who don't are nothing more than the hypocrites.
- 10 votes
#26 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:51 AM EDTI ignored the guy who started #1. I'll place you on my friends list if you don't mind. I'm going to go crash for bit.
- 2 votes
What's funny is, if you want liberal traction on your seed, just put a whole bunch of hate in the title, they love it.
- 1 vote
Palin, Limbaugh, Shay, Beck and all the other right-wing nutbags demonstrate on a daily basis that the greatest threat to America is not Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda or Iran. The greatest threat is the insane asylum known as the Republican Party. We must never again allow these lunatics to run the show.
- 4 votes
#27 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:17 AM EDTWhat is interesting is how democrats call people racist in order to try and get people to back down. Truth is that democrats will lose the 2010 elections and just maybe 2012 I think the American people are realizing that we need a system of checks and balances. Giving a free run to one party is detrimental to our country. As much as democrats try and blame the ecomony mess on bush its not his fault.. Barney frank and chris dodd along with other democrats pushed banks to give loans to lower income families who then turned around and defaulted on the loans which caused the housing crisis which then caused the downturn of the economy. Yeah bush ran up the deficit with the war in Iraq but obama has tripled in less than a year. obama owns this economy now and if things continue to go south democrats will get the shaft in 2010.
just because republicans believe in tax cuts, gays not being married,and that killing unborn children is wrong we are an insane asylum
I think not
- 3 votes
just because republicans believe in tax cuts, gays not being married,and that killing unborn children is wrong we are an insane asylum
No, the Republican Party is an insane asylum because it is not grounded in reality. It is stuck in a "Leave it to Beaver" mindset when the "real" America supposedly existed and which they are trying to bring back, a time when women stayed at home, raised the kids and did the housework, a time when blacks and other minorities knew their place (and that place most definitely did not include the White House) and a time when gay people didn't exist. The GOP is all about the past because the present and the future are too scary. They can't handle how America and the world have changed dramatically through the years. They want to drag this country backwards because they are terrified of what lies ahead. When you've lost grip with reality you are insane. The Republican Party has completely lost grip with reality.
- 2 votes
What is wrong with the country that our parents had. People who believe that hard work is how you succeed? Families that have strong moral values and beliefs? An America that trusted in GOD not our government? I am sick and tired of not being able to turn the tv on without having gays broadcasting on nearly every channel. You want to be gay fine don't try and tell my kids that its ok to be gay, its not. Gay will burn in hell. Stop teaching that global warming is a fact in school because its not, the earth has warmed one half of one degree in one hundred years. And 30 years ago it was global cooling. Stop indoctrinating out kids .Yeah and I am afraid of what lies ahead if we continue down this path. Sacred for my children and their children. And if your not then I am sorry for you.
and I am sick and tired of everytime that someone has a different view that liberial democrats you are branded a racist and a hate monger although I shouldn't really expect anything less that is what your party is all about
- 3 votes
I would like for someone to point out any parents who go around and say I hope my child grows up to be gay.
I will tell you None of them do.
So why is it the gay population is being glorfied on tv and in the media other than to push a liberial agenda and send our country down the toliet
- 3 votes
Hey John, you want to live in your Leave it to Beaver fantasyland go right ahead. But here's a newsflash for you. That's not the real America any longer - if it ever was - and the country is moving ahead with or without you. And why the obsession with gay people?
- 2 votes
I really wouldn't call it an obsession more like a moral stand. And I feel just as strongly about the killing of 6 million unborn babies since the practice of abortion was legalized. We may not be able to go back in time but we sure can pull back on the rains a little to slow this liberal social engineering down before it destroys our whole country by throwing out any kind of moral decency that we have left
- 2 votes
I really wouldn't call it an obsession more like a moral stand.
Yeah, a wide stance.
- 1 vote
The world was never like Leave it to Beaver. It was an idealist fantasy.
Gaithersburger, I agree with everything that you stated in #26, #26.3 and #26.6. It appears that the Republican Party is the party living in fear. Fear of reality and the future. It terrifies them that the world is now accepting minorities and gays. It terrifies them that women are standing up for equal rights. It terrifies them that they cannot tell women what to do with their bodies (abortion and the morning after pills).
The recurring notion that liberals/Democrats have no morals is so beyond human comprehension, that it makes me ill. It is that "we are better than you" attitude that shows up over and over again. "We are better Christians...we care about the unborn, we are more generous, we are more patriotic, we are more brave, we are more concerned about the world seeing things are way, democracy for all"...etc. etc. I used to consider myself to be a Republican. Looking back now, I really don't know why. I have disagreed with them on just about every topic for decades. I can honestly say that I have left that despicable party and will probably never vote for another Republican president in my lifetime. The party would have to change drastically, and for starters, stop letting the big mouth ultra conservatives run the party. I just don't see that happening.
- 1 vote
John, Just for the record, parents might go around saying that they want their children to grow up to be gay, but if my kid turns out to be gay, I will love him the same as I always have. One of the reasons why I wouldn't want him to be gay is because there will always be people like you that are so self-centered that they cannot see that gays are not out to get you or to hurt you. Why are you so afraid of them? By the way, did the gay newscaster tell your kid that he should be gay? Of course not, so what is the big deal? Turn to another station.
- 1 vote
Tweetheart, thanks for the comments. I'm embarrassed now to admit it but I also used to consider myself a Republican once - way back in the 80s. And like you I can't figure out why since I disagree with the GOP on pretty much everything. Then again, the party has changed a lot in the past 20-30 years, and not for the better. It has become extremist, elitist and out of touch. It's hard to believe now that I ever voted Republican. I won't make that mistake again.
- 1 vote
Gaithersburger, I feel exactly the same say. My parents have always been die hard Republicans, although I do think that they voted for Ross Perot. At least they admitted that Palin was a loser. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough to make them vote for Obama. Anyway, I know what you mean about being embarrassed to admit that you ever supported the Republican Party. I think that my parents had alot to do with my voting for Republicans. Parents can have a big impact on their kids and the way that they vote. The older I get, the more open minded I become. The fact that only 30% of Republicans will admit to being Republican certainlyy speaks volumes.
- 1 vote
The GOP is nothing but a wet burp.
MatB
You are close to crossing the line there on 27.1. Don't do it again.
- 1 vote
You are a troll. - jaywow67
Pretty close to crossing the line yourself, Seeder.
- 7 votes
You are close to crossing the line there on 27.1. Don't do it again.
I have seen worse on this thread, by others, that have gone un-commented upon.
- 4 votes
I have seen worse on this thread, by others, that have gone un-commented upon.
Like the Liberal Media, jaywow67 picks and chooses who is "over the line" instead of using a hard line.
Matb is just his latest target.
- 2 votes
It's only crossing the line if the seeder doesn't agree with your views. Jaywow67 only gives liberals a free pass. As you can see he doesn't abide by to the C of H himself.
- 1 vote
How? or are you just upset because the truth is in front of you?
Unfortunately for you I warn anyone, if you and Ryan don't like it complain to Tyler. You attack me personally and I will delete you. Attack someone else I will delete you for that. Try it and see.
How on earth is that unfortunate for me? But the fact remains:
I have seen worse on this thread, by others, that have gone un-commented upon.
This is your thread and you have a duty to fairly moderate it. That's not an attack. That's a fact.
- 2 votes
jaywow67, I did not attack you personally, I just questioned your ability to follow the C of H. Feel free to delete anything you want, it's just going to be put back up, because you have no cause for it to be deleted. I was just wondering when you yourself were going to abide by the C of H?
- 2 votes
1.17
You are a troll. You've offered nothing about the seed other than to attack me.
If you don't like the seed then take yourself out, go find a seed by someone you like or likes you.
This should be deleted, and is a clear violation of the Code of Honor, and I wouldn't be surprised to see you suspended for the day, since you are the seeder, and usually held to a higher standard.
- 2 votes
Ryan, tell Tyler I violated the CoH with statement will you?
Tweetheart44
There are several trolling in this seed. They aren't hard to recognize.
There are several trolling in this seed. They aren't hard to recognize.
So moderate them.
- 1 vote
Chasing
If they violate the CoH or UA I do. Just because they troll, and keep their language clean, I feel it's up to whoever they are responding to to moderate them. The easiest way is to use the ignore feature, unfortunately the moderate can't.
Ryan quit attacking me personally. If you can't manage that you don't have to stay here.
That wasn't a personal attack on you or anyone, it was a comment that attacked the article/title, also was a response to calling me a troll(a personal attack), a word you so commonly use, so that can't be bad.
I will just have the comment put back up. No big deal.
- 2 votes
This article is absolute garbage. This:
Shay became infamous last week for the discovery of her racist rants and Michele Bachmann-Glenn Beck style proclamations of a nation near an Obama Armageddon meltdown.
Is a lie about Shay, since it wasn't her who had the racist rant, but rather someone who was commenting on her blog, and she deleted the comment, much like comments appear on newsvine from time to time that are racist (unless you're all ready to call the newsvine owners racists because they allow racist comments to appear on their forums before the comments get deleted) And I agree with the Obama meltdown statement.
How did I know that, if this President screwed up, like he's doing, anyone who bitched about it would be called a racist? Well, he's screwing up, and I'd be bitching just as much if he was white. He can't keep dangling the Cap and Trade bill out there and keep increasing taxes when unemployment is about to hit double digits.
- 4 votes
#29 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:59 AM EDTAs I've said many times before, until the day I see young Republicans, (or young Democrats for that matter), knocking down the door to my local recruiting office I don't want to hear anything from any of them. I'm black, I've been that way for sixty years, and at my age I don't need validation from anyone. Besides, this is a free country, if someone wants to be a racist or a homophobe thats their business as long as they don't hurt anyone, or depribe anyone of their rights. What pisses me off to all high holy hell is the fact that most the people doing most of the complaining, and complaining the loudest are same people who are unwilling to put their ass or their childrens ass on the line for what claim they believe in. Progress is not gained through protest, solgans, bumper stickers, and flag waving. Progress is gain through sacrifice. Those who are unwilling to sacrifice should shut up and go away.
- 4 votes
#30 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:08 AM EDTHow dare Republicans, or any party, blow the whistle when our rights are being trampled on! How dare they fight for a smaller government that isn't threatening to take over the country. How dare they remind the government and administration that they work for the citizens of the US, and not the other way around. How dare they fight for God-given rights to life. How dare they fight the government's excessive spending and over-taxation. HOW DARE THEY? How dare those in opposition side with the government. Remember, a government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything away from you.
- 2 votes
#31 - Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:15 AM EDTLet's see. The times in modern history when Americans have sacrificed rights, constitutional rights, have been under the watchful eyes of republican presidents. Nixon and his illegal wire-tapping scheme, Reagan when he allowed laws to be passed that violate the constitution regarding illegal search and siezure and entrapment, allowing cops to operate under the lying guise that the CIA does but doing it domestically against its own citizens and Bush 43 with the Patriot Act and the illegal electronic surveillance, waterboarding and lying constantly to get his agenda started. Not to uphold the crooks in the democratic party, because they have their share. Talk about fighting for smaller government, what happened and where was the GOP and your outrage when 43 doubled the size of government? Not defending the dems but you sound very hypocritical or you just were blind during the 1st 8/10th of this decade. Pro-choice has been the law of the land since 1973, so someone's loss of right to life is ok if they work in a clinic that supports women's rights? When we rallied around Bush and his campaign of fear and allowed him unobstructed power, by God you gave it all away at that point. You can't give one party leader the keys to the castle and restrict the other party leader to being a puppet. That is why impeaching Bush was necessary and right. It would have set a precedent so that unchecked power in the white house could have never happened again, but since some arseholes will protect and uphold the very crooks and criminals of their party for the sake of party, we lost as citizens. So now we pay for it until we bring the crooks and criminals to justice and march on washington and demand that our leaders rub shoulders with us and not the lobbyist that represent hospital corps, drug companies, insurance companies and government contractors. Blame the parties if you like but it is the idiot supporters of the parties that have caused this mess.
- 3 votes
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